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Why are British so braindead that they actually voted leave? shall all of them pay for the damage?

Your question seems to sum up the attitude to democracy these days. If you lose, you have to call everybody who disagrees with you brain dead.

Presumably, Democracy is only OK if everybody agrees with you because you are obviously a genius.

Because why should we get our economy sucked dry? Especially when the EU should let the UK take lead since it freed the EU members from Hitler with blood.

Huh. Getting out of the EU stupid? I disagree heartily. They have decided that their sovereignty is better than the EU running their gov. for them.

Yes

I'm tired of whiny brits, don't pay any attention to them anymore

The Brexit referendum campaign represented a low-point in British politics: campaigners on BOTH sides were guilty of telling horrible lies. Whether to leave the EU or not was (and is) actually a very complicated and nuanced question; but both sides tried to present their own view as self-evidently correct and the opposing view as self-evidently stupid or even evil. It's an old political trick to get you to agree with something without actually thinking about it: "People who don't agree with this are evil, and you don't want to be evil, do you?"

I've found that a good guiding principle in life is not to automatically assume that I'm cleverer and better informed than everybody else. If something seems blindingly obvious to me, but vast numbers of other people "just don't get it" and I can't understand why, then, 9 times out of 10, it means *I* am missing important; it doesn't necessarily mean my conclusion is wrong, but it usually means that there is more to the question than I realise. Only stupid people think they're cleverer than everyone else. (That has been scientifically established - Google for "Dunning-Kruger Effect").

By way of a single example, let's consider the question of immigration. During the campaign, the Remain side wanted you to believe that being in favour of Brexit is an inherently xenophobic or racist position, and that anyone who voted Leave must want to expel all immigrants from the country and stop any more coming in.

But from the Leave side, things look very different. A Leave voter would say, okay, so we have roughly half a million people coming into the country every year (the equivalent of a new medium-sized city): for that to work comfortably, there need to be enough jobs for everybody; there need to be places for all these people to live; and there need to be all sorts of other infrastructure - doctors they can register with, schools for their children to attend, etc. Now, the infrastructure *is* in place for all those people right now; but sooner or later, if enough people keep coming in, it won't be: now matter how fast we build new houses and schools, if enough people keep arriving, eventually there will be more people than we can support. So, if we're going to invite all these people in (which of course we should!), doesn't it make sense to put all of the necessary infrastructure in place *first*, rather than allowing them to come in and only *then* worrying about whether the system can cope?

At the moment, anyone from the EU can come to Britain to live at any time, so it's legally impossible to control the number of people coming into the country, meaning it's physically impossible to be certain that the necessary infrastructure is in place before they get here. The only way you can ensure that everyone actually has access to all the things they need to live comfortably (a Leave voter would argue) is to change the system so we can control how many people come in every year.

There's nothing inherently xenophobic in that position. And it was a truly disgusting lie on the part of the Remain campaign to suggest that voting Leave meant you wanted to expel non-British doctors and nurses working in the NHS. Any remotely sane person understands that if there is a shortage of people qualified for a highly skilled job then you need to recruit someone from abroad who have the necessary skills; and any immigration system being proposed will allow for that. During the campaign, the Leave side suggested an Australian-style points-based system - that would ensure that skilled people like nurses and doctors go to the front of the queue. Another suggestion was that people will need permits to work here, but that a work-permit will be issued *automatically* to anyone who has applied for a job here and been accepted (but it wouldn't be posisble to come to the country and settle down and only then look for a job). Whatever system ends up being put in place, there's no way that EU immigration will end up being more tightly controlled than immigration from non-EU countries is now, and there's quite a lot of that.

And of course, it's quite possible that leaving the EU won't actually have any effect on immigration at all! We could end up having the same relationship with the EU that Norway and Iceland currently have - they're not in the EU, but they are part of the European single market, and freedom of movement between those countries and EU nations is enshrined in law.

Similarly, the Remain campaign talked about the likely damage to trade and the economy of withdrawing; but there are many different models one can look to for a possible relationship between the UK and the EU. I suggest you study in detail the differences between Norway, Switzerland, Turkey and Canada (in terms of their relationships with the EU). Norway, for example, is inside the Single Market, but outside the Customs Union; that means that goods manufactured in Norway can be sold within the EU just as easily as is the case for any EU nation, but it also means that Norway is free to sign its own bilateral trading agreements with non-EU countries. If a country is inside the Customs Union then it cannot negotiate its own trade agreements - everything has to be done for the EU as whole, meaning the agreement requires every single EU country to agree to it. (Recently the EU has signed a big trade deal with Canada - that took seven years to negotiate, and almost collapsed at the very last minute because one of the regional parliaments in Belgium objected to it).

I could go on; but hopefully you get the point. :-)

TL;DR: it's more complicated than you think.

Brexit will work and the eu will fail life goes on same way

what Damage we have Not left yet

when it works are You Going to pay me ? ?

No like all idiots you will just go with the Flow

yeah

indeed, if we have miscalculated, we shall pay, even those of us who voted to stay... note that the vote was narrow (48% to 52% overall), and some parts of the uk voted strongly to remain...

I don't blame them.

They were misinformed by the media and our own governments. I actually took the time to read lots of books and journal articles about what will happen if we choose to remain or leave. Especially around trade, economy, our pound etc.

I'm afraid here in the UK people are not bothered to sit down and read books, they like to use Daily Mail, Google and YouTube to get their information from - not that these resources provide reliable information...

A lot of people here are very uneducated.

I personally feel that one of the reasons why a lot of people choose to vote leave was because of immigration and that was the main one.